Author Topic: Getting the Zodiac Spear from the Henne Mines Chest - Guaranteed Part I  (Read 21771 times)

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One of the biggest headaches in the game is the Zodiac Spear if you have opened one of the 4 forbidden chests. Many people have spent countless hours trying to get the Zodiac Spear from the chest in the Henne Mines which is a 1/1,000 chance. Some people have been lucky and fluked one early whilst others have spent more time that they cared the to think about chasing that elusive spear. But now things are different. Let me explain.During one day I got 6 Zodiac Spears from the chest in the Henne Mines. Yes, you read that correctly.....SIX!!! Was I lucky? No. Did I use Armax or some other cheating device? No. So how did I do it? Well, I used the PS2's pre-programmed list of random numbers against itself. I am now going to show you how to get a Zodiac Spear from the Henne Mines but there are some conditions to this which must be met first. So here goes.....a step by step guide to the Zodiac Spear.

1. First thing I have to say is that this was done on a Phat PS2 (PAL Version) Series 39003. You will have to test this out and see if your machine will also do it. It probably will.

2. You MUST have one character who does NOT have the Brawler Licence activated. If you don't have a character without Brawler then you aren't going to be able to do it. The idea in this is that you have to hit yourself to move the Random Number Generator (RNG) and you could be hitting
yourself over 80 times. On my file Vaan is level 99 but has a Grand Armour. He does over 3000 damage with his bare hands. Three or four hits and he is history.

3. You need to know how to use the Immobilise Glitch. If you don't then I suggest you look it up in the FAQs and learn pretty fast if you want a Zodiac Spear (or 99).

4. Teleport to the Henne Mines making sure you have Chronos Tears and a Nihopalaoa. I guess you could use magick but it's best not to do too many things that move the RNG along. Equip two characters with armour but no weapon. Helm can be equipped, it's up to you. It makes no difference to my character whether they have a Circlet on or not. Equip one character with the Nihopalaoa and equip the character WITHOUT Brawler with the Diamond Armlet. Make sure the character with the Diamond Armlet has 5000+ HP. If not, cast bubble on them now. Cast float on both characters and turn off all gambits. Now put Game Speed on SLOWEST.

5. Put character with Nihopalaoa into reserves and just have your main character in the party. Save your game and then TURN OFF YOUR PS2!! This is imperative. A soft reset will NOT work and in trying to save time you will just waste time. Now reboot your game.

6. Head from the Gate Crystal into the Ore Separation and towards the Phase 2 Dig but before you enter the Phase 2 Dig you MUST hit yourself twice. If you forget to do this then you are just going to have to start again. If you don't hit yourself twice then it is unlikely you will ever see the Zodiac Spear Chest. Having done this, enter the Phase 2 Dig.

7. Now bring out the other character and get them to use a Chronos Tear on themselves which will put them under stop. Now with the flee button held in head down the passage. You will see 3 Abysteels in front of you and you may take some damage in this spot only. Run directly at the Abysteels and don't try to dodge them. I find they use Gnaw (instant attack) more if you try to
dodge them. When you get to the intersection where there are 2 more Abysteels use the Immobilise Giltch to clear all of them away. Keep going through the area towards the ZS Chest using the Glitch to clear all enemies in your way. As you reach the brickwork you are at the point where you may have to renew the Chronos Tear on the character by the entrance. You will
have to renew it at least once.

8. You arrive at the Zodiac Spear Chest Location. It may not be there but there is a reasonable chance that it will. Doing it this way I reckon it appears a lot more than 10% of the time. Shame you're not guaranteed the Spear, eh? Now put your other character into the reserves. Do NOT forget to do this. Turn the game speed back to FASTEST and give your character just one gambit. SELF: ATTACK.

9. Now you have to hope that you have the right pattern for the random numbers. What you are looking for are Combinations. The one of most interest to you is a 5 Hit Combo but that will be later. For now what you DON'T want is a 2 hit combo at all. If you get a 2 Hit Combo you may as well reset without even opening the chest because you ain't getting a Spear. It depends on whether you took any damage from the Abysteels as to when you get your first combo but I am going to assume you took none. There are 3 possibilities and this is what you need to be looking for:

a) A 3 hit combo after about 21 hits. This will then be followed by a 4 hit combo after 29 more hits. Finally, after another 28 hits you will get a 5 hit combo.

b) A 4 hit combo after about 54 hits. This will be followed by a 5 hit combo after a further 28 hits.

c) A 5 hit combo after 82-84 hits

If you get any other pattern then forget it. You won't get the Spear. One more thing. During the 5 hit combo MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR GAMBITS OFF!!!  If you don't do this and your character hits themself after the 5 hit combo then your Spear is gone.

10. If you didn't get a), b) or c) then turn your PS2 off and start again.

11. If you got any of a), b) or c) then open the chest and get your ZODIAC SPEAR. If you have the Diamond Armlet on I will GUARANTEE you it will be there.

12. Get the hell outta there and save your game.

13. Rinse and repeat as many times as you want for as many Zodiac Spears as you want.

 :D :D :D



« Last Edit: May 21, 2009, 06:28:50 PM by pprincess »

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Re: Getting the Zodiac Spear from the Henne Mines Chest - Guaranteed
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 01:41:08 PM »
Could it possibly work with the clicks again?
Just like you did with the Ribbon in Cerobi  :)


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Re: Getting the Zodiac Spear from the Henne Mines Chest - Guaranteed
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2009, 09:02:50 PM »
Could it possibly work with the clicks again?
Just like you did with the Ribbon in Cerobi  :)

It would only work if the ZS chest was the only one. There is only one click per allocation of chests whether there is one or 10. The ZS chest isn't the only chest in that area.




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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2009, 09:03:51 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot the Ribbon chest is the only one in that area


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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2009, 09:21:01 PM »
How many people do you reckon will abuse this?

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 05:13:10 AM »
How many people do you reckon will abuse this?

At least one ;D


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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 01:27:47 PM »
So much for the world record of ZS being 17...that's gonna go WAAAAAY out of the window now.


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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 09:03:05 PM »
So much for the world record of ZS being 17...that's gonna go WAAAAAY out of the window now.

It was only a matter of time I guess. A load of people will gather 99 Spears before rules are put in place on Perfecter games that this is illegal.

A never-ending cycle for the world of RPGs.

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Re: Getting the Zodiac Spear from the Henne Mines Chest - Guaranteed
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 09:39:58 PM »
Important find from Flak76e. For those who have the Brawler Licence just equip a Shield and a Cameo Belt and you will do zero damage. I checked this with a level 99 Vaan and it works!


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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 10:22:52 PM »
It was only a matter of time I guess. A load of people will gather 99 Spears before rules are put in place on Perfecter games that this is illegal.
There won't be any rules against it because you are not abusing any glitches. You are just using RNG for your advance.


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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 03:06:13 AM »
There won't be any rules against it because you are not abusing any glitches. You are just using RNG for your advance.

Well the people who spent hours and hours getting Z-Spears earlier will be pretty peeved.

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 01:43:41 PM »
Hi there,
I tried this method two times and got another Hit Times with the same Combo pattern. Is it possible for the posted Times of Hits to be highest values?

By my two Chests (two Zodiac Spears) was it that way:
By the first Spear i got 74 Hits -> 5 Hit combo. By the second 16 Hits -> 3 Hit combo followed by the posted way with 4 Hit combo after 29 Hits and 5 Hit combo after 28 Hits.

I?m sorry if my english is not the best, i only handle is good but not perfectly, at least not yet.
Another Question: Can i take these Informations for translation in german?

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 05:43:08 PM »
It is possible for the first hit to be at a different time because of things that may happen to the RNG like if you get attacked. Also, you may have a different series PS2 to me and that might affect what happens too.

If you wish to translate into German then that is fine with me. Many people do things like that but usually give credit to the person who wrote the original. :)


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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 06:00:43 PM »
Of course i note that?s you the one who find out these things. That?s an point of honor for gamers, so i will do it like that.
By the way: I thank you for this way, too. Above all, how can you figuerd out this system?




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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2009, 06:08:48 PM »
Phew, just got my first ZS with this method. I really wasn't doubting this trick but now i finally confirmed it to myself. After seven tries, the chest spawned. I had the a) pattern.

Here's a pic, bad quality thanks to my cellphone - http://koti.mbnet.fi/crow_cs/zspear.jpg


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